Monday, June 23, 2008

The inmates are still running the show and planning more fun.

Someone really needs to reopen the asylum.

While many have made jokes about the "Current Occupant" of the White House just to deal with his deluded surreal reality he has had the very unfortunate opportunity to impose on the world. His minions continue to show signs that even darker realms exist in at least those around him. Given Bush's history since occupying the Oval Office I have no doubt that his minions just reflect his true nature. On a side note I have to give a backhanded thanks to Fox Noise for continuing to supply a portal into the strange world Bush and his people live in.

President Bush is more likely to attack Iran if he thinks Senator Barack Obama may be elected, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol told FOX News Sunday morning.

Kristol added that if Senator John McCain was going to win the presidency, Bush would “think it more appropriate” to let him deal with the issue.

Senators McCain and Obama have often sparred about whether military force or diplomacy should be the primary way of dealing with Iran, according to an article by the Los Angeles Times.

McCain has criticized Obama for his willingness to meet with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but a Gallup poll shows 59 percent of Americans support a meeting with the leader, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Bush said that McCain is “not going to change when it comes to taking on the enemy” when he declared his support for the candidate at a White House press conference in March.

WALLACE: So, you’re suggesting that he might in fact, if Obama’s going to win the election, either before or after the election, launch a military strike?

KRISTOL: I don’t know. I mean, I think he would worry about it. On the other hand, you can’t — it’s hard to make foreign policy based on guesses of election results. I think Israel is worried though. I mean, what is, what signal goes to Ahmadinejad if Obama wins on a platform of unconditional negotiations and with an obvious reluctance to even talk about using military force.


Stella said...

President Bush is more likely to attack Iran if he thinks Senator Barack Obama may be elected, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol told FOX News Sunday morning.

Beach, does this mean that we may get the October Surprise all the conspiracy theorists are promoting? With all those Executive Signing Orders, diminution of civil liberties, the food shortage, gas shortage, and a potential attack on Iran, the words "martial law" seem to be reverberating across the nation.

Either that, or Bush wants to be petty and vindictive and leave as much crap behind as he can for others to clean up. It's not like such behavior would be out of character...

I hope you had a great vacation.

Mike said...

I think Fox Noise assessment is absolutely spot on. If it looks like McCain doesn't stand a chance, Bush will do something stupid.

Colonel Colonel said...

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Chief Asshole do something like that. And, of course, if he says do it, Bush will go along. Bush does anything Dik tells him to.

Distributorcap said...

nothing this idiot in the white house does surprises me.....

i would like to think the american people are smart enough to see through something like this

then again...

btw, bill kristol is one of the worst things about the media in america

Beach Bum said...

Stella: Honestly, before I read this article I figured you could have put money on Bush and his cronies running around "leaking" false stories of Bin Laden and possible attacks at home and overseas. But attacking Iran would not be some simply application of Imperial American corporate power on a smaller country, it will be nothing less than the start of WW3. After this article and several other and interviews I've heard of the neocons I believe they could just do it. This is a very tired statement but they seem completely disconnected from reality.

Mike and Colonel: Yeah, the weak minded Bush will in the end do what Darth Dick tells him to do. And McCain who has been eager to throw American troops into any convenient war that happens to be going on since Bosnia will be licking his chops to see it happen.

Distributorcap: Its funny that so many who have never served and has no one in there family serving are so eager to have wars fought. I know there are exceptions, McCain does have two boys serving but I think McCain is nuts, but most do not. Kristol and Krauthammer both need to be dropped in the middle of Baghdad unprotected and unarmed.

Keshi said...

I loathe politics. Its the reason behind all wars.


Randal Graves said...

If we were to attack Iran, these years would forever seem to be the golden age of US/World relations. We'll be beyond pariah status.

I doubt the military is as gung-ho about such bloodthirsty action as Cheney and his puppets, so they're our last hope if the neocon lunatics decide "Iran! Yay!" is a swell idea.

Beach Bum said...

Keshi: I agree and while I'm still a news junkie the political stink of political TV preachers and Swiftboating liars is ruining even that.

Randall: Yeah, I've read enough that the military generally wants nothing to do with attacking Iran. Now there are overtly political generals that want nothing more to kiss political ass and would launch such an attack to please Bush. And sadly Bush has been appointing such people to command positions.

Stella said...

Beach, it's no longer a conspiracy theory...

208 House Democrats and Republicans have co-sponsored a non-binding resolution that approves an act of war against Iran.

H.Con.Res. 362 is a non-binding resolution for sanctions against Iran, which could provoke war. At this link, there's yet a critical petition to sign for anyone who chooses to do so.

Another petition from the same organization involves S. Res. 356, introduced by Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois, which prohibits the President from using military action against Iran without explicit Congressional approval.

I've got petitionitis, but it's important we keep speaking out.

The Zombieslayer said...

Great. Another war?
Just what this economy needs.

Anonymous said...

Oh say it isn't so....

Stella said...

Preposterous, I wish I could. I'm sickened by how out of touch these people are.

MadMike said...

Bush is a fool but he will not attack Iran just because McCain looks like he is losing, or has lost. He won't attack Iran because cooler heads other than those that surround him will prevail. There is no conspiracy, nor is there a viable plan to proceed against Iran based on the outcome of an American election. The rest of the world will not allow the United States to act unilaterally and I can't see anyone, even Britain, supporting such an irresponsible act. Once again, Bush is a fool, but he is not the Fool of Fools. He doesn't have the power to enact his agenda.

Finally it is important to remember that if the mainstream media isn't talking about it, it isn't news. Did you hear this on CNN or MSNBC? You did not because it is not true. The idea that some obscure bloggers would uncover such a plot is absurd. It is conspiracy theory at its best.

Stella said...

Mike, you have far more faith than I. Legislation is starting to float around the Senate and House that relates to sanctions against Iran, I am not sure that this legislation falls under the aegis of conspiracy theory any longer.

How often do MSNBC and CNN report on the numerous Congressional bills and resolutions from the floor? Only CSPAN does. I'll give MSNBC and CNN the benefit of doubt that they do the best they can. But while these stations broadcast a lot of junk news, Americans lose knowledge of many critical decisions.

Here's what I know. As early as the second week of July, the House may vote on H.Con.Res. 362 [link to text of the resolution], which demands Bush initiate an international effort to effectively impose a land, sea, and air blockade on Iran.

Without United Nations authority, such a blockade would be an act of war. A likely Iranian response might be an act of violence to break the blockade, which could spark a chain of events leading to total war. Of course, we have to be reasonable and ask if this statement is accurate.

However, the resolution explicitly states that this legislation(4) urges the President to lead a sustained, serious, and forceful effort at regional diplomacy to support the legitimate governments in the region against Iranian efforts to destabilize them, to reassure our friends and allies that the United States supports them in their resistance to Iranian efforts at hegemony, and to make clear to the Government of Iran that the United States will protect America's vital national security interests in the Middle East. That's the summation of the bill.

For information on legislation, please visit The Library of Congress-Thomas. Others may interpret this bill differently.

I hope I've been taken in by a conspiracy theory, Mike. I hope I'm wrong. I hope you can say to me, "I told you so," and I can respond, "You were right." Thanks for your hospitality, beach.

Beach Bum said...

Stella, Slayer, PrePost, and MadMike:

Nuisance is a difficult thing but I'll take a swing at it. First, in my humble opinion while I do believe Bush/Cheney WOULD attack Iran if they had their way I DO BELIEVE far cooler heads in the military have told them that it at best it would be the start of World War Three with our guys and gals in Iraq reenacting Custer's last stand on the wrong end of the rifle barrel. I'm sure most of the army and marine types understand that our ground forces have been strained far beyond what is safe for years. Now I don't include the Air Force which for years has thought the jarheads and grunts were outdated saying that airpower could solve all our combat issues with bombs and missiles. David Brin's blog ( Contrarybrin ) has pointed this out several times along with various articles and military shows. This airpower attitude goes as far back as the British and their League of Nations mandate of Iraq after the corpse of the Ottoman Empire was sliced and diced. Supposedly they thought they could cheaply control the country with biplanes mounted with machine guns and a few bombs. References for this info? Well if you force me I can dig this stuff but give me a break I'm diving deep into the mental catacombs and its damn scary.

Second, as far as Bush's right-wingnut Chickenhawk minions are concerned I'm convinced that the likes of Kristol, Hannity, Krauthammer, Limbaugh, and everyone else in that group would attack Iran if they found the proverbial genie stuck in a bottle and got three wishes after letting him out, one of them becoming president. None to my knowledge have ever served much less saw combat beyond some Rambo movie and whose apathy toward those who do serve is only surpassed by the platitudes they offer to service men and women. But I can't come down to hard on them too hard since the greater mass of Mr. and Mrs. Middleclass are far more pissed about having to sell the SUV over high gas priced than some poor black, Hispanic, or white kid getting their arms and legs blown off in a war they would have a hard time locating on a map.

Stella said...

Everything, and I mean everything, you said, Beach. (Although it always pains me to disagree with Mike.) Nevertheless, if there is already legislation starting to point in that direction, I can only conclude that "there's something happening here..."

I am, admittedly, doubtful and perhaps somewhat paranoice about the validity of CNN and MSNBC (owned by military contractor GE) news. The news to me is in those long, boring debates on the House and Senate floor.

I'm glad you have a military perspective from which I can learn. Certainly, this Administration will do anything to invade Iran, the country controls 10% of the world's resources. Iran is OPEC’s second-largest producer after Saudi Arabia. That Iran is a likely target for the thugs you mention, beach, seems logical. Those are scary people.

I still hope I'm wrong. I have never wanted to be wrong this acutely. Keishi is right—politics is behind all wars.

MadMike said...

I don't disagree that there are resolutions and probably private deals but I do disagree that they came about based on the outcome of the election. That is the only point I am making. I also do not disagree that Bush/Cheney et al would attack Iran, and even New Jersey if it served them I am saying they no longer have the political clout to pull this off.

g-man said...

i think the exact thought process is

"if you can't beat 'em, bomb 'em!"

you could prefix "...and then blame it on terrorism and/or potential global threat" if you see fit :)

call me biased! but it certainly seems like it

Stella said...

I see, Mike, and must have misunderstood your comment. I just hope you're right about them losing clout. BB mentioned the failure of the Democratic Congress (at least the House) to act on reigning in the Administration. I agree. But why?

Of course these private deals have been going on for a long time. That's precisely what concerns me.

Vigilante said...

These long discredited asshole lemmings & followers of the oval office call it,

the unconditional negotiations and with an obvious reluctance to even talk about using military force

It's not unconditional negotiations. It's called unconditional recognition. Otherwise known as de facto diplomatic recognition, long a feature of diplomatic relations. Diplomatic recognition does not signify approval of a government, merely that it is a government.

What's questionable is the oval office. Is it any longer a government? Or does it more resemble a gang of cowboys on a cattle drive, stampeding its herd?

Vigilante said...


I've often puzzled about what the dire 'WORLD WAR III' scenario would look like. Perhaps it wouldn't be WW III. But, while the rest of the world (ROW) might be hoped to have given the American people a pass on the Invasion of Iraq. Maybe, we hope, they'll just blame it on Bush. However, my fellow Americans re-elected Bush, who has continued the occupation of Iraq. If Bush escapes the grasp of his 'handlers' (Robert Gates. et. al.) and plunders and blunders into Iran, who will the R.O.W. then blame if not all of the U.S.A.? (Once fooled - shame on Bush; twice, thrice fooled - shame on all of us.) Let's hope Mad Mike's confidence is well-founded.

Anonymous said...

Well sir...I am not a I will not like to comment on your president..u love ur country and u reserve every right to criticise the falws u find in the govt....but when an outsider does....u may mistake me for a persn who hates america and i dnt....

Keshi said...

hey BB :)


Beach Bum said...

Stella and MadMike: Once again I do not think Bush will attack Iran for the reasons I stated. MOST of the senior military leadership know how badly the after affects of an airstrike against Iranian nuclear targets would go and I am sure have talked with the Bush about them. But my concern is various elements in the military more inclined to a certain political bent than would be normal. In short what I am worried about is an unfortunate accident taking place between US and Iranian forces or another Gulf of Tonkin incident.

G-Man: No, I won't call you bias because that is what it appears to be.

Stella: The first idea that comes to mind for me is that the Democrats are scared to painted as weak on terrorism. And if another attack does happen they do not want to be seen as preventing Bush from doing what needed to be done. Basically their principles come second to keeping a really great job with benefits.

Vigil: They aren't even a gang of cowboys anymore. They are a bunch of toddlers scared to death about mommy (the general public)finding out how badly they have messed up.
The WW3 scenario in my mind is after a huge air assault on Iranian nuclear targets Iran calls for its Shite brothers to cast out American forces in Iraq. Iranian anti-ship missiles then proceed to sink everything in the Persian Gulf effectively closing it to traffic. Everything after that just gets worse since most of the world's oil will no longer flow.

Vishvsambyal: Please my friend, do not worry at all about offending me over any possible comments about Bush. Due to the nature of his truly global screwup any actions of his can be freely commented about on my site by anyone in the world.

Keshi: Hey, hope everything is going good. We have been passing around a summer cold that hopefully will go away soon.

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